Jonathan Pageau: You’re Not Seeing Yourself Clearly

🎙️ Episode 59 – Jonathan Pageau: You’re Not Seeing Yourself Clearly

What if the way you see yourself is the very thing shaping your suffering… and your healing?
In this powerful conversation, I sit down once again with Jonathan Pageau to explore the role of images—not just in art or theology, but in the human soul. We dive into how distorted self-perception, pride, trauma, and identity all intersect… and what it actually takes to see yourself clearly.

Jonathan brings a symbolic and theological lens, challenging modern assumptions about self-esteem and emotional suffering. I bring a trauma-informed clinical perspective, grounded in my work as an EMDR therapist. Together, we wrestle with where those views align… and where they diverge.

This is not a surface-level conversation. It’s an honest exploration of truth, identity, and healing.

In this episode, you’ll learn:
  • How the “images” you carry about yourself shape your emotions and decisions
  • Why distorted self-perception can lead to anxiety, burnout, and addiction
  • Jonathan Pageau’s critique of the self-esteem movement
  • The difference between pride-based suffering and trauma-based suffering
  • How childhood experiences can “freeze” negative beliefs and identity
  • Why truth alone isn’t always enough to heal trauma
  • How faith, repentance, and psychological healing can work together
  • A powerful metaphor from Jesus healing the paralytic—and what it reveals about healing
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Do you think most suffering comes from distorted thinking… or from unhealed wounds? Or both?

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The Lion Counseling Podcast helps high-achieving Christian men break free from destructive patterns, heal from the past, and become the men they were created to be. Hosted by Mark Odland, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified EMDR Therapist, this podcast blends faith, psychology, and practical tools for real transformation.
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Mark Odland
Founder of Lion Counseling, Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Certified EMDR Therapist
Jonathan Pageau: You’re Not Seeing Yourself Clearly
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