Lion Counseling Podcast

In this rare and powerful short-form conversation, Orthodox icon carver and symbolic thinker Jonathan Pageau unpacks the hidden pride inside our guilt, the spiritual dangers of wallowing, and how biblical memory is the path to true humility and healing.

Therapist Mark Odland (EMDR specialist and host of the Lion Counseling Podcast) shares symbolic stories—from drowning lifeguards to the thief on the cross—to reveal how men get stuck in shame and what it actually means to be remembered by God.

What you’ll learn in this short episode:
• Why wallowing in shame is actually pride in disguise
• How Satan operates as “the accuser” in our inner dialogue
• The symbolic meaning of Jonah in the belly of the whale
• Why confession is humiliating—but necessary
• The spiritual power of memory vs. dismemberment
• What EMDR therapy has in common with ancient Christian practice
• How healing changes the symbolic image at the root of trauma

If you’re a fan of Pageau’s Symbolic World, interested in the intersection of psychology and faith, or just want to stop spiraling in shame—this is a must-watch.

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About the Lion Counseling Podcast
The Lion Counseling Podcast helps high-achieving Christian men break free, heal deep, and become the lions they were created to be. Hosted by certified EMDR therapist Mark Odland, each episode blends faith, psychology, symbolism, and grit to help men face the hard truths, heal past wounds, and live a legacy. New episodes drop every Tuesday.